which is the Best IP Phone.

nischal
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2007-03-22

Hi All,

Can any one sugest me, a best IP phone i should use with TB2.

I am setting up Trixbox for a 50 seater callcenter, where it will process in and out bound calls.

We need a good quality voice.

Regards
Nischal...



mvsystems
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DO you use PC's

Use a soft phone if your agents have PC's, you will save a ton on money opposed to buying hard phones.

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nischal
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2007-03-22
Voice Quality

What bout the voice Quality ?

Nischal.



GWalmsley
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2006-06-08
Aastra 9133i

Hi,

We use a lot of the Aastra phones, especially the 9133i. They have good voice quality (running ulaw/alaw) and are sturdy enough for high usage.

Graham



bubbapcguy
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2006-06-02
call center Phones??

I have never seen a call center use phones..
USB headsets work great...and IMHO they sound better thna ANY IP phone I have heard..



GWalmsley
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2006-06-08
Soft phones and headsets

Hi,

We installed a small call centre for a client using soft phones and USB headsets. Everything worked fine until the PCs got busy then the voice started to break up. Adding extra RAM to the machines fixed the problem but it is something to keep in mind when using soft phones.

Graham



nischal
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2007-03-22
usb head sets

Thanx,

Will check the usb head phone options. what was your pc config like...... will on board sound card do

Nischal...



nischal
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2007-03-22
Where to find USB headsets

Hi

Sorry but never heard about usb headset, can u give me some link where i can check it. or how it works?

Nischal..



GWalmsley
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2006-06-08
USB Headsets

Hi,

Have a look at http://www.plantronics.com who do lots of different headsets, including USB ones.

Graham



mp3geek
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2006-06-01
USB Headsets

Any major electronics retailer should have them. Search for USB Headset. I just checked Radio Shack and Best Buy and both list several in the $30 - 60 range. These would be fine for testing. For production use you may want to go with a GN, Jabra or Plantronics, available at places like hellodirect.com etc. Assuming you are using a Windows 2000 or XP client machine, there is usually no installation at all. You plug 'em in and they show up as a new sound device. I use one all the time on idefisk (IAX softphone) and they work well.

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kerryg
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I am going to disagree, a

I am going to disagree, a softphone just doesn;t have the feel or quality that a good hardphone has. The best phones available are the Polycom phones. My second choice is the Aastra which only beats out the Linksys phones because the Aastra have XML services ability.

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mustardman
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2006-06-18
I refuse to use Polycom

I refuse to use Polycom because of their support policies. Trying to get firmware is like trying to pull teeth. Tell them you are using Asterisk and they refuse to talk further to you. Basically your at the mercy of your reseller/distributor and they BETTER have a good legit relationship with Polycom.

IMHO you cannot go wrong with Aastra. They will support you directly and are VERY supportive of the Asterisk community. After using their phones in a production install I realized that good manufacturer support is almost as important as a good quality phone.



kerryg
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We will soon have the

We will soon have the Polycom firmware files available from the package manager and Polycom now has a vendor moderated forum here to show their support of trixbox.

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anjul
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2007-03-06
Simple: Grandstream GXP-2000

You can easily get them for $85 each including shipping, taxes. Bought eight of them with no trouble whatsoever.

4 lines, perfect quality, robust keys, very configurable, beautiful, perfect.

I wouldn't buy anything else.

The GXV-3000s on the other hand, by the same company, Grandstream, are not that hot -- the keys are flimsy and there aren't enough programmable keys, etc. I'd wait for a revision on those phones.

The newer GXP-2020s also are something I would avoid until the price comes way down.

All other phones I researched give you less for more money compared to the GXP-2000s



mvsystems
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SNom

Snom 300 is a really good phone for $99 but will not support POE.

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kerryg
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I believe the question was

I believe the question was "which is the best ip phone" not "what is a cheap medicore entry-level phone".

Grandstream simply owns the market on the low-end. Their phones work and are inexpensive but can certainly not be considered equal to a Polycom and they don't position them that way. To say a GXP-2000 has "perfect sound quality" pretty much shows you have not done a side by side comparison. I am not saying to not buy Grandstream phones, but they are simpy not "the best" but in many cases they are "good enough".

Snom is the next step up the ladder and might have edged up even more except my personal experience with them actually puts them below Grandstream because of the vast number of problems I have had with them.

Linksys moves the bar up a notch. The SPA-9xx phones are rock solid, easy to configure, sound good, are priced decent. However, they are pretty basic on functions that even the cheaper Grandstream phones have. Overall though, one of my favorite phones.

Aastra phones have really grown on my lately. I had a 480i CT on my desk for a long time and have replaced it with a 57i CT. The XML services are second to none and the new phone works great and looks terrific.

Polycom phones are by far the best sounding phones available today. That is the main thing they are known for. They can be a real pain to get the setup working the way you want, but once you have it, its pretty easy to replicate. With trixbox 2.2, we will have support in the Endpoint Manager for Polycoms making them really simple to setup.

While the other points are mostly valid points about other phones, there is just no comparison to the quality and performance of a Polycom. If they are out of your budget, then you just start moving down to other vendors but you should be fully aware of what you are getting in to.

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JamesDW
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2006-06-01
I agree!

I agree!

I have Grandstream GXP2000 and will not buy any more. For the headaches I have had dealing with them, it is cheaper to get a better quality phone. I now am using the Aastr 480i CT and will never look back.



cosmicwombat
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I have three phones in testing.

A Cisco, Polycom and Snom. All are mid-range and support the same basic functions. The Cisco has a huge screen comparatively and a nice MWI. Voice quality is damn good. Other than that is very hard to install and maintain... again comparatively.

The Snom is really very nice, a little cheap feeling, but is holding up. Very easy to set up.

The Polycom is truly sweet. A little harder to set up then the Snom and a few fewer features for the price point. As geeky as I may be, I still buy phones for one real reason... How well does the unit sound. The Polycom [in my environment] sounds the best. Provisioning is supported. For production it is what I specify for now. Subject to change of course.

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anjul
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2007-03-06
true

i didn't do a side-by-side comparison but we had our clients talk to an extension on the other side of the planet and they declared it perfect :)

yes, i did interpret "best" after factoring in price -- which is probably not what the poster wanted, so i stand corrected. (i tend to do that with pretty much everything i buy -- find the "good enough" price point and save the budget for something else/more, but yes, that doesn't apply to everybody's situation.)

i appreciate your detailed review and i'm almost glad that i baited you into it >:)



gregkeys
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2006-06-01
Snom problems

Kerry,
You really should take another look at the Snom line. The first one I bought was horrible with interface problems and putting a call on hold was about like playing russian roulette. However.... With the latest firmware installed:

Kernel Version: snom320 linux 3.25
Application-Version: snom320-SIP 6.5.8
Rootfs-Version: snom320 jffs2 v3.36

My snom 320 has become my favorite phone, with some of the best audio quality I have heard to date.

The Grandstream GXP2000 on the otherhand, while MUCH improved over what it was a year ago still has audio issues. The function of the phone is great, the audio sucks. It works fine for occasional use, but would drive a call center operator nuts after a while (I am running the latest beta firmware) They are getting closer, but have not hit the mark yet.

Greg Keys



rishkid
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2006-11-01
best IP phone

well i have a GXP2000, and six 488, and ten Linksys pap2T/3102 and a Grandstream 286 the quality on my GXP2000 is good when compared to my Linksys 942 let me explain the voice sounds tiny on the linksys but it sounds more natural on the GXP2000 but the GXP2000 phone is not working properly when i go to line 2 since usually i am on line 1 the person on line 2 can't here me when i pickup the line so i have to go back to line 1 then back to line 2 then and only then can the person hear me thats grandstream for you. i don't have those problems with the Linksys phones. The Voice quality on the Linksys pap2t/3102 are great. I also have the grandstream 4104 FXO gateway and it locks up on me i am having a hard time sending DTMF tones properly and i can't configure the ports individually. my opinion is they have a little ways to go with this unit. The 488 voice quality is great but the FXO port needs some work as far as the voice quality is concern i haven't tried the Aastra phone i heard the pricing are good but if i were you i would not buy any grandstream product until they get there act together but they are getting close though



yerks
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2006-08-21
Best IP Phone

I have installed the Polycom IP501 and the Uniden. I think the Polycom Phones sound Very Very Good. The Mic reception for speaker phone is great and the volume does not cut out during a conversation. Would recommend.



teleweb
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2006-11-27
What about Thomson

What about the Thomson ST2030 IP phone?

It has A LOT more features than the Grandstream GXP-2000, but is only slightly more expensive.

Snom phones on the other hand have the most excellent web interface, very clean, and every option is configurable and well documented on the wiki.



rmad
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2006-11-25
IP Phones

I have got my myself connected with a phone manucfacture. No i have our own phones and i am using them without any issue . also i use them at client place.
www.r-mad.com for the models

I have good quality IP phone range for 50 to 80 USD.



pr0digy25
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2007-04-12
Definitely look at Polycom.

Definitely look at Polycom. They are *solid* phones. If price is an issue with them, look at their new IP 320/330 phones... great feature set and a good price.



MillsapsPE
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2006-06-09
Polycom support is here

I think the fact that Polycom is actively involved in this forum now should raise their "value" considerably. Polycom is all that we use (15 now, 14 more in next 2 months).



kerryg
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2006-05-31
Adn wait till you see how

Adn wait till you see how well Polycoms work when setup with the Endpoint Manager in trixbox 2.2!

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Astawerks
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2007-02-25
AASTRA Phones work great

AASTRA Phones work great because they have a headphone port already on the phone. I connected Plantronics Office headsets right into the RJ-11 port , worked fine

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GSnover
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2006-11-19
So do the Polycoms - Have a Headset Port

Right on the back, with a Front-Panel button.



drose25
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2007-01-16
I like the Polycom 500/501

I like the Polycom 500/501 phones, personally. They look nice, have a solid feel, and are very user-friendly to the end-user. The ability to add a logo to the display is a nice touch, especially for the phones in public areas like reception and conference rooms.

Sound quality is fantastic, and I do not kid you there. When I first started exploring a softpbx solution for our office, I was very concerned with sound and call quality--I was afraid it would not be up to par and would prevent deployment, despite its flexibility. My first test phone was a used Polycom 500, connected to the PSTN with a Rhino R4FXO card. It SOUNDED BETTER than our existing, traditional Panasonic phone system. Speaker phone sound quality is also superb, again better than our existing Panasonics.

Before committing to Polycoms for our phones, I tried a Grandstream GXP-2000. The price point for that phone was attractive, but the phone wasn't. Sound quality was okay, but the look and feel of the telephone itself came across as cheap. Since we're a professional firm, I couldn't deploy a phone like that anywhere, except maybe a break room or storage room.

I will echo the sentiment that Polycom phones are a pain to provision--I spent a couple of days playing with my first one before I finally figured it all out. Needless to say, I'm thrilled to hear that Polycom is now working with the Asterisk community, and more thrilled to hear that a Polycom Endpoint Manager has been completed (now get TB2.2 out of beta!). Once you get them figured out, it's not so bad, but I still wouldn't look forward to deploying any significant number of them.



RoadKill
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2006-05-31
DECT wireless headset

Hi

Well if you are planing on estabelishibng a call center, they will probaly be making a lot of calls, and you therfor probaly need some headsets, probaly wireless headset, so way not just only give each user a wireless headset, and no phone. like the plantronic C65 or C70 and have them conectet to a KIRK TELECOM 600/3 (12 chanel DECT) that support linking up to 256 radio units supporting from 12 to 2816 active SIP channels (35-1500 sip users).
As the hedset do not hav a display and can not dial, you must use a dialer program http://www.trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/open-discussion/outc... or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Snap (new wersion with transfeer is sopose to come soon)
This will probaly be cheper than using HQ sip phones together a wired headset that will lift the handset, but you will have happy workers.
also the PC do not have any bering on the voice quality as it is only used for siganeling.

(Polycom has just resently aquried Kirk Telecom)

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teleweb
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2006-11-27
Radiation

@Roadkill:
Why?
Health concerns could be a legitimate reason...
DECT is famous for its strong microwave radiation!



WB3FFV
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2007-03-15
DECT compared to PCS/Cell Service..

DECT is pretty much in the same frequency bands as the modern day cell phones (PCS spectrum). Here in the US we use 1800mhz, and 1900 for DECT, and in EU land they use 1900 for cell service, and use 1800 for their DECT band. Needless to say DECT's range is shorter than cell service, so it runs less output power. So if DECT is actually dangerous, then using a modern day cell phone would be far more dangerous.

I don't wanna get into the debate on the dangers of cell phones, but just wanted to say that a DECT phone is no more dangerous, in fact less so, than a modern day cell phone that operates in the 1800mhz PCS bands, which is pretty much most companies now days here in the US..



Charles007
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2007-11-05
Take another look at Grandstream

I have tried Polycom phones (hands down best, in my opinion, but very expensive) and several Grandstream phones, and the Grandstream phones were just adequate until the GXP-2020 was released. It has very good sound quality and features, is much heavier and more professional looking than the GXP-2000. Firmware updates are plentiful and it is the easiest phone to integrate with open source trixbox/asterisk/freepbx. However, if you need more line appearances, Grandstream has yet to release an expansion module for the 2020, and the 2000 expansion module will not work with the 2000.

I have 12 phones and one expansion module on an open source (FreePBX) system. All except 4 of the phones are GXP-2000; the four are GXP-2020. I paid a mere 124 (free shipping, no tax) for the GXP-2020 phones. They accomodate standard 2.5mm jacked headsets.

I have also experimented with softphones (I even paid for a pro version!), and have to agree with the previous posts re: voice quality on a USB headset.



ja133
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2006-11-26
In my experience, the only

In my experience, the only two phones that worked out the best for me were linksys 942s and any of the Polycom phones.

Polycom has the SLA feature, while linksys doesn't. So those companies who have multiple secretaries, one for each manager, would use Polycom phones, and we program those phones on both the secretaries end and the manager's end to "communicate" with each other so that the secretary can easily say "pick up the line- you have Joseph on hold, etc"

Some companies don't need it, and they'll use linksys 942s with HUD lite instead. This saves a lot of money but since HUD also shows who people are on the phone with at the moment, some managers would only use it for themselves (which kind of makes the program useless to that company) because of the privacy concerns.

My clients have been happy with linksys and Polycom.

I do not like Grandstream phones- too many echo issues with them.

I'm not experienced with any other phone. But about the grandstream experience- this was because I inherited a company who had grandstream deployed.

I use x-lite or other softphones for testing only- when I'm too lazy to pick up the phone, or whatever the reason is. But ONLY for testing. It doesn't work well because if the computer crashes, or whatever the case is, the call is gone. As well, I personally need a phone to make calls. I cannot live with using a softphone only. I'd rather pay the extra money to make my life simpler and to use a phone, rather than a softphone.

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kimkhan
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2007-03-07
Aastra 9133i is the winner

I have used Linksys, Aastra, Cisco and Grandstream.

I let my clients try them out and they usually choose Aastra.

Cisco: Too expensive and difficult to setup for SIP
Grandstream: Too cheap and with that goes the quality (For personal home use or really small business with budget issue may get by with them)

Then both Linksys and Aastra attracts most of the people due to their price range and quality. Linksys phones are actually made by Sipura and if you have used Sipura ATA devices you'll know. On the other hand, Aastra used to supply Nortel with phones which were then branded by Nortel.

Sound quality: both of them are great but for feature sets for the same price range Aastra 9133i usually wins over SPA942.

I am installing one cllient with 60 Aastra phones, 1 with 19 and another one with 5 - All Aastra phones. Over $3000 in savings just not going for Polycom.

I've never tried Polycom's IP phones as well as SNOM. I can see a lot of good remarks on Polycom but when I give the clients options to choose, they all go for Aastra for the price-quality ratio and I agree that for the money they save, maybe not having the 'Polycom' audio quality, is still worth the investment. I do usually tell all clients that Cisco is the leader in the IP world and in the $400 range, Polycom is the leader for teleconference sets and best audio quality in $200 range and Aastra or Linksys in sub $150 range.

I can only see Polycom getting into lot of these small/medium business only if they bring their price down to close to Aastra or Linksys. I am sure for a few bucks more most people would then turn to Polycom. Until then I think Aastra will continue to win business based on perceived 'voice quality/price = value' ratio

Just my 2 cents.



mustardman
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2006-06-18
Aastra are cheaper, easier

Aastra are cheaper, easier to configure, reboot faster, and have similar sound quality compared to Polycom.



ddwyer
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2006-06-03
snom phones are great

i use and recommend snom, absolutley easy to set up , and packed with features



chris8051
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2007-09-29
Polycom great phones but poor wireless headset interface

I use Polycom phones exclusively but I find one glaring defect in them. They do not play well with wireless head sets. Although the 650's I use do have headset ports on them, I find myself opening them up (and thus voiding the warranty) to modify the wiring to allow an external plantronics headset to pick up calls (remotely) without the headset lifter. These headset lifters that wireless headsets use are a kludge at best. There should be a jack on the outside of the phone that simulates a handset pickup via a simple open/closed circuit.



mattcero
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2007-02-19
What is the best IP phone? Read this as I've tested a few......

I have Trixbox 2.4.2 running on a mini-ITX fanless computer behind a Linksys wireless router (DD-WRT Linux O.S.) and that's behind a Comcast cable modem (Surfboard 5120). I have two ITSP accounts. One is with Callcentric.com and the other is with Broadvoice.com. The Three IP phones on my network are the Grandstream GXP-2000, Aastra 480i CT and the Polycom 650 IP. I first bought and used the GXP-2000 about a year ago and thought "Wow, this thing is great and has tons of features and lines". I was satisfied but it would lock up every now and again and I had to pull power to get it to right itself. It was a little light and cheap feeling too. Then, I wanted another IP phone but with cordless capability so I opted to get an Aastra 480i CT and I was blown away by the improvement. I was impressed with the quality, dense feeling of the handset and loved the way it would answer a call as soon as you grabbed it out of the cradle without having to hit the talk button. The base unit is equally nice with a great look and sound quality and the XML is impressive. You can hit the buttons you have programmed to get area code information, stock quotes, "This Day" information, ESPN or CNN news headlines and the list goes on and on. It sounds great too and I was glad I got an upgrade instead of another GXP product. To round out the low to high end examples of phones for my customer demonstration system I have for prospective IP PBX users/customers, I found a great buy on a week old Polycom 650 IP from Craig's List and jumped on it for $200. I always used to roll my eyes when I'd read how great they sounded. But when I got it on my system and started making and receiving calls, I was and still am blown away at how awesome it sounds, feels and looks and hence all this writing. I've demo'd my "setup" to two clients so far and they all want the 650 or the 550. The setup isn't as easy as the others but it's not hard at all. Oh, the Polycom admin login is "Polycom" and password is "456" by the way for you serchers. The ring tones are super smooth and "professional" sounding. The HD codec, which I think is just G.722 sounds WAY better than the same codec on my Grandstream so Polycom must be doing something different. When I demonstrate the above equipment at a customer site, they'll make calls on the two ITSPs using the GXP 2000, then on the Aastra 480i CT and finally on the Polycom 650 IP and after they hear the quality of the 650 they always get this big smile on their faces and always vote this phone as the best. Polycom is the best and the 650 is their top of the line product at this time. Thanks for reading. Matt, mattcero@gmail.com



mattcero
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2007-02-19
What is the best IP Phone? (Cont.)

Wow, my buddy just called and it went to my Aastra 480i so I picked it up. I asked him to check the sound and judge, then I transferred the call to my Polycom 650 IP and he said it sounded a little louder and better. We talked for a while and then I thought to test how the speaker phone sounded to him and he said it sounded better then the previous two handsets he just heard. Ok, I'm blown away again with thie Soundpoint 650. Matt



gurvy
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2006-08-27
Grandstream GXP2000, running

Grandstream GXP2000, running 25 or so for a year now. I also purchased some snom 320's at the same time, The snom phones definetly takes the prize and user preference in our office environment, they are worth the extra $$. However for home only use the the Grandstream would be adequate. (they just doesnt stand up to heavy use) I havent had any experience with the other models suggested above. Grandstream failure rate 1 in 10 units, I havent had any failures with the snom phones.



jahyde
Posts: 1970
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2006-06-02
nice - try the 57i - the

nice - try the 57i - the speaker is louder and maintains clarity, not the rich "bassy" sound of a Poly, but louder.

adding this to the list:
http://www.trixbox.org/wiki/Best_Phones

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